Why Hydrogen Cars Flopped

Birt 12 apr 2021
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Hydrogen Fuel Cells were supposed to save the auto industry from climate change, and promised no harmful emissions from the tailpipe, just pure water. So what happened? Why hasn't the hydrogen car taken over the industry in the years since? And what future does this amazing technology have? Well, it's complicated.
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  • How about "hybrid" hydrogen powered cars?

  • I believe!

  • Ecology side of the argument is seriously underdeveloped here unfortunately. Rest of the video is great, but this one left a bitter taste in my mouth. Problem with EVs is their seriously un-ecologic Lithium batteries, which are great problem now when BEVs are rare. If BEVs should overtake gasoline cars it would be stupidly great problem. Comparing H2 to BEV in this video is like comparing BEV to Gasoline by saying "Energy for BEV is made in coal powerplants so that means BEV is more un-ecologic than gasoline cars. End." By forgetting half of an argument you kill whole argument. So -> H2s are way more ecologic than BEV. But more energy demanding, which is bad. And although BEV are stupidly dangerous (look up battery fire), H2s are not better (you are using explosive gas as fuel). Gasoline cars are amazingly safe by comparison. Diesel even manytimes more over. So yea. Cost killed H2s combined with questionable safety. But from eco perspective BEV are good but H2s are best option by far.

    • Are you stupid? This video just discuss about why people don't buy hydrogen vehicles, hydrogen is useless, the fuel is expensive, the car very slow, not fun to drive, and the hydrogen station just in California, some of them even doesn't work

  • Nice analysis, but you should have enumerated total global environment burden of both electric and hydrogen cars including manufacture of all parts of each vehicle and also their disposal at the end of their life cycle, especially batteries production and disposal of make electric cars way less environmentally friendly on global scale

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  • You're forgetting about something with electric cars. Namely, the energy used to produce and recycle lithium-ion batteries.

  • Grouping nuclear energy in with fossil fules... lmao also tesla and other manufactuers are using lithium, which is located around the planet, prompting a fight over the resource from so called "undeveloped" countries which has prompted our goverment funded by tech companies to do military interventions in these countries to "democratize" them and open markets so that these companies can pay for the very cheap labor to harvest lithium at a low price, where there are no regulations protecting those harvesting the materials. We need to calculate the human suffering factor into how good something really is.

  • Well Toyota is making hydrogen cars usa is always a mess with hydrogen vehcles

  • Wait so you explain the way hydrogen comes about from the process of making it until the point that the car uses it. Yet you don't do the same with electricity. You don't cover the fact that what it takes to generate the electricity in the first place and what it takes to actually manufacture produce produce the battery to the point that the electric car actually uses that electricity. When you look at it that way the electric car is actually in the negative.

  • Actually hydrogen prices vary from a $1.70 to $5.30/kg And the average hydrogen car holds 5 kg. So to fill up the average hydrogen car would be $8.75 all the way up to a whooping $26.50. And for that massive bill you get 312 to 380 miles per fill up. L compare that to a Honda Civic which holds 12.39 gallons , gas is at $3.04 per gallon right now it will cost you $37.66 to fill up and you are going to get anywhere from 290 - 400 miles on that tank . So not only is hydrogen cleaner it's cheaper as well. The other thing that will kill the EV is refuelling times. That's why the vast majority of people I know say they would not want one. For them to go from Virginia to Florida would take them an additional 8 hours. On top of that they'd haveto drive out of their way in order to refuel in some locations. I mean let's face it nothing refuels faster than a Combustion engine vehicle or hydrogen vehicle. Then there's the nastiness of their batteries even the cleanest of batteries are incredibly harmful to the environment. And the batteries really don't last that long. I've read where Toyota Prius batteries didn't last but 8 years before they had to be replaced. Some manufacturers claim may last longer than 10-15 years but that's yet to be proven. I mean you talking about paying $4000 up to $16,000.00 to replace the batteries in an EV in less than 15 years. And in some instances you have to replace it twice in that time period. Well I know some are gonna argue who keeps a car that long a lot of people do. I am one of those people I have a 2008 JK And don't plan on getting rid of it ever. The average age of a vehicle United States is 11 years. So I know I am not alone in this. My son who is tighter than 2 Coats of paint Is driving a 2003 model and it's the same car he had in high school. What he says makes a lot of sense, he says it runs fine gets me where I need to go and I don't have a car payment. That car was purchased new in the only thing it's ever had have done to it Is have to coil packs replaced. Had that been in electric vehicle he would had to have replaced the battery packs by mail at least once or scrapped the car. So until they can figure out how to refuel an EV In the same amount of time it takes to refuel traditional car and to make batteries last 20 years The eevee will never fully catch on. Which is evident in the simplified that in the United States their sales are down.

  • Electricity transfer is extremely inefficient too, half of it is getting lost while it reaches the consumer. Hydrogen is being produced by wind mills in the sea in Japan, so energy losses are lower and batteries for storing electricity not needed

    • Dude you need to transfer hydrogen to the consumer to, btw to split water to hydrogen use a lot of energy than charging an EV

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  • I think dihydrogen is abandoned due to lobbying, not because of efficiency, for exemple with money and 15 years of research and development we can create great ev cars. So with time and money, H2 cars can be cheaper by around 1,5 to 2 times, and with efficiency progress, we can reach around 50-60% efficiency which is 2 times better than gasoline and very close to ev ones. With the range capacity and the simplicity (no lithium, cobalt...) i already think H2 cars are the future for long distance cars. Ev for home to work (city) vehicle and h2 for journeys, family cars, commercials and obviously trucks industry

  • Is it easy to produce hydrogen in massive scale ?

  • I basically say that it's like a tesla but on steroids but then the steroids just went away.

  • So mostly the reason is price. And what price do we pay for regular gas and diesel cars? How many people died bcs of cancer every year? How many dollars did we spend on cancer treatment and on how much people life cost? What about the impact of extract oil and transportation, its influence on the environment and ecology? We killing not Planet we will kill only our population. Earth were exist without us billion of years and it will.

  • 10.000 PSI is alot of psi lmao

  • Y would anyone ever buy this

  • u forget to talk about battery waste in an electric car.

    • Hydrogen cars have batteries too.

  • A possible solution to the efficiency problem with HVs would be to use the the water the cars produce to create hydrogen again. The car could store the water in a tank in the car, and then every time the consumer refills the car with hydrogen, it could also empty the water tank into a pipe network that takes it to a hydrogen facility. This would boost the efficiency by a lot I reckon.

    • @Preston Hall it’s probably better and more energy efficient to dump the water and collect it as rain rather than to incur transport losses is moving the water to somewhere it can be converted into hydrogen then compressed and liquified for use in a hydrogen vehicle.

    • @Preston Hall But that is only a tiiiiny part of the energy loss.

    • @Engineering the weird guy Well yes, entropy and all that. The goal isn't to make a perpetual energy machine, but rather to just boost the efficiency. It'd be better to use that water for something rather than just have it evaporate into the atmosphere.

    • No. That would be like powering a light bulb by using the light produced to run a solar cell. Technically it works but you’ll notice that not so slowly the light dims away to nothingness. There are efficiency losses in light production, electricity production and through the wires. You can get energy from nowhere

    • No, it would not boost the efficiency. The low efficiency is caused by the losses during electrolysis, compression, transport en conversion in the fuel cell.

  • Hated that you blapshemed God in the video clicked off and disliked as soon as I heard the Lords name being used in vein. Really wish you wouldnt force your beliefs down peoples throats.

    • @Troy Ward Jr do not be so arrogant as to presume what I think. I don’t think me or anyone else is inherently good. But “the simple fact we are allowed to live at all is a teatament to his love” is nonsense. How does that apply to people born into suffering, how does that apply to babies born with congenital diseases leaving them to die months, days, even hours after birth? Where was their love? This all might being knows what’s happening and has the power to change it but condemns them to die regardless. No, that’s not a god I want to worship. Tell me. If you had the power to stop a baby being with a heart abnormality which would kill it only 3 days into life and all the while leaving it in excruciating pain for its entire, short life, through no fault of its own or the parents, if you were aware of that outcome, and had the power to cure the baby so it lived a normal life like anyone else, and you decided to do nothing but watch that infant die a horrible painful death, would you be accepted into the “kingdom of heaven?” If the answer is no, take a very hard look at why, and if the answer is yes, again, take a very hard look at why. Either way that’s no god I think deserves anyone’s worship.

    • @Engineering the weird guy it is simple, the fact we are allowed to live at all is a testament to His love. However as long as you think you are better than God your arrogance will be your downfall your pride will lead to your destruction. The problem is you think we are inherently good and thus God punishing us must make Him bad you do not see how evil we are. If we had not sinned against God in the begining there would be no evil no disease. We are responsible for bringing sin and death and suffering into the world. God endures this with great patience, However He will eventually destroy this world and rebuild it the way it is supposed to. However I will say again what man means for evil God means for good. Those babies who die in this life are in heaven according to certain scriptures so even though man did evil and brought sin into the world and disease God brings them to paradise in a place where there is no pain no suffering or any of that. However, the issue is you think man is good and thus God must be bad you do not see the evil of mankind. God is not powerless to stop these things He endures them with great patience, and yet you do not see how arrogant you are to tell the God who made you that they are wrong and you are right.

    • @Troy Ward Jr how can he lavish love upon a child born with AIDS? where’s the richeousness in seeing that kind of suffering, being able to stop it with minimal effort, and still deciding not to? Where’s the love for that child’s life? What about babies born with cancer or disease, through no fault of the child or the parents. Where is the love there? Where is the richeousness? Before the baby can even understand the concept of god. He’s abandoned by him to die. Who would worship a god like that

    • @Engineering the weird guy God endures these things with great patience but, how arrogant of you to tell the one who created you, "I know better than you God, and if I where in charge I would be doing a better job". Have you lied? Stolen? Dishonered your parents? Then God is completly just in throwing you into the lake of fire for eternity but, with great patience endures your evil, and why does He do so? To show His mercy and Glory to His elect. You think you are better than most even better than God you do not see yourself as bad as those others that commit genocide or do any of that, you do not realize God is so Holy and righteous and good even one sin is enough for Him to reign His wrath upon you for eternity and He is completly justified in doing so He has lavished His love upon us, and even restrains the hearts of wicked man to an extent. If it where not for God we would all be as evil as Hitler and yet He restrains our heart from such evil. Their is only one way we can escape the wrath to come and be reconciled to God and that is threw the sacrifice of Jesus Christ. He paid the debt we could not pay in full, lived a perfect life and if we repent and trust in Him fully for the forgiveness of our sins He has promised to give us a new heart that hates sin and loves righteousness and give us eternal life with Him in heaven. And yet upon hearing this many reject the most amazing love gift of all time only showing their arrogance and hatred for their creator more. It has been this way, ever since the fall of the human race since Adam and Eve disobeyed God in the Garden of Eden. Regardless I urge you today to repent and believe the Gospel it is the only way you will escape the wrath to come. God has an appointed time for you to pass away and when that time comes if you have lived as if their is no law and do not care even till death you will be judged by God as you are condemned already for your lawlessness against God. What men mean for evil God means for good. Just as when Joseph was sold into slavery by his brothers, and this happens much in the world today. God endures this evil with great patience the fact He does not kill us all now is a testiment to His love and patience. However for those who trust in the Lord one day they will be delivered from the evil of the flesh and be united with Christ where there is no sin no sorrow and no pain. All Glory be to God forever and ever. Hopefully this one stays to.

    • @Troy Ward Jr well I don’t want special treatment from an all power entity that decides to allow infanticide, child cancer, people being born with aids, etc etc etc. if they had the power to protect the most innocent being all powerful and all seeing and decided to sit by and watch the pointless suffering and deaths of children and babies all over the world before they even learn how to talk, then for them to condemn me to eternal suffering is the height of hypocrisy, and they deserve to burn with me.

  • as someone who literally drives a mirai i dont know what to say

  • hydrogen can still be the future.....just not the present. Electricity can be the future but isn't the present nor the far future.

    • Hydrogen will always remain the future.

  • Running on water we can’t have that no money for the greedy pigs

  • You forgot kids 🤣🤣😂

  • This doesn't make sense if this good for the planet why paying for distributing hydrogen

    • Buy then, no one stopping you

  • When Tesla's or Hydrogens, hit 333mph in 3.7 seconds let me or Brittany Force know !

  • Great video, thnx.

  • Great video, very informative and entertaining! I just feel that you've skipped over an important topic, which is the storage of the energy for driving. For hydrogen cars we can create hydrogen whenever we have a surplus of clean energy - on a sunny or windy day, and store it in that form to be put in cars when they come to gas up. For electric cars we need to provide the electric energy whenever they come to the charging station, therefore often having to use conventional power plants for meeting the demand. Considering that, I really hope that hybrid cars become more popular :)

    • ​@Mazur The majority of charging moments are low power (for example overnight AC charging). Most EV drivers only use fast DC chargers occasionally and need about 10 kWh per day for normal commuting. These are rather low numbers and do not really form a thread to the grid in general. High power DC chargers do indeed require a more heavy duty grid connection, but this is manageable because they are not located all over the place.

    • @Simon ok, that's a good point, thanks for clarifying that. I'd still like to see this topic mentioned when comparing the technologies in the video. You are saying that converting the energy on a larger scale is more efficient with which I agree, but there is also the problem of distributing the energy from centralized source. EV charging stations are already heavily increasing the load on the electrical grid and with more adoption of EV's, this can grow into an even bigger problem. To be clear, I'm not saying that it's a black and white choice that one is better then the other when it comes to powering consumer vehicles. I'm just saying that I would like to see hydrogen taking over the place of conventional cars and coexisting with EV's.

    • @Mazur We could indeed use hydrogen for surplus storage (if there is anything left anyway), but that does not mean we should put it in cars. It is more efficient to store and converse the hydrogen at centralized plants and then distribute the electricity over the grid when needed for anything we like.

    • @Simon yeah, so maybe I'm not getting the point of your comment, but to me it seems that even considering an constant average amount of EV's charging all the time, we need to store the renewable energy for charging them (for example solar power to charge cars at night) which lowers the efficiency of the whole equation.

    • Not really. There will always be an average number of EVs charging at any given moment of the day. Therefore there will be barely any renewable surplus.

  • Great video guys. Nothing in it is true, but good production. Hydrogen comes from Natural Gas. The energy used to purify water for electrolysis is more energy yet so that will never be scalable or ever replace natural gas for hydrogen production at scale. So hydrogen vehicles are not zero emissions but the most polluting of all transportation fuels,

  • Hydrogen is a small molecule shortening the life of all it comes in contact with. This is a law of physics that will never change so "new technology" can never change this. Refilling stations must be rebuilt frequently for this reason and no hydrogen car fuel cell lasts more than a small percentage of the life of the car. This is not a technology problem, unless you mean hydrogen is "the wrong technology".

    • Exactly.

  • Industrial hydrogen sources all convert natural gas creating more emissions than gas or diesel. If electrolysis was used, cost would be many times what you showed.

  • If everyone bought an electric vehicle the power grid wouldn't support them. The power grid is from the 50ties where it would be easier to put hydrogen pumps in then rebuild the power grid.

  • If you made more refueling stations the prices would drop. Plugins are just stupid.

    • The price would drop but never with parity to electric. Why are plug ins stupid?

  • It makes more sense then plug in cars.

    • Hydrogen is slower, less stable, less safe car with less lifespan and costs more than 10x more to run than EV’s even if hydrogen got cost parity with combustion fuels.

    • Why?

  • The Good old Diesel - BMW 320dX - 1500km Range 1.Fuel in 3 Min

  • Hydrogen hasn't flopped. This video is a scam.

  • Pro tip: Make hydrogen on your own at home using electrolysis, it's for sure completely safe and saves a lot of money!

  • nice video! just would like to see more on equivalent mpg, so knowing how far a 6kg tank gets you. Just a post view suggestion.

  • In an other decade, when the field will be full of waste batteries, and countries struggle with recycling, then everyone would say hydrogen was a better option

    • Hydrogen car also has battery, don't forget they need precious ore such as platinum, this material is really rare and not many on earth

    • I’m guessing you missed the part where batteries are 95%+ recyclable with current technology

  • You must've missed the latest news www.slashgear.com/toyota-built-an-internal-combustion-engine-that-sips-hydrogen-and-it-sounds-awesome-30671055/

  • There is one thing you left out of the equation, but I forgive you as renewable energy sources might not be as abundant in the U.S. as elsewhere. On days with a production of renewable energy that surpasses consumption on all sectors, there are basically two things to do. (1) Shut down renewable energy sources or (2)produce Hydrogen (or any other component at at P2X facility). As even more wind turbines and solar panel parks emerge, there will be a huge demand for increased consumption, and the power grid is limited from country to country (Europe). So it does not matter that much if Hydrogen production is only 10-15% efficient, if it can provide you with very cheap fuel for your vehicle. That, and looking at the range of electric trucks, it makes more sense to keep large scale traffic running on Hydrogen.

  • The physics is really incomplete, for gas cars the fuel extractions process is completely ignored

  • I don't like how you praysed EVs, they aren't even much better, I would say even worse than Hydrogen. You're talking about the environmental issues but forgot to mention how bad batterys are for the environment. Also, you forgot where most of the Electricity to charge your car comes from. It comes from fossil resources, where the efficiency is also only like 40% maximum.

    • @Rocky Charlton also again, physics tells us that you can’t achieve the same performance as an EV with hydrogen without sacrificing something EV’s don’t have to. Space, comfort, economy, EV’s get all the performance without sacrificing these things. For a hydrogen car, the physical limit of the amount of energy produced is dictated by the surface area of the fuel cell. It doesn’t produce enough energy to adequately accelerate. Therefore it needs batteries to store and release the amount of energy when required. These are often very small but still larger than a hybrid, but unlike a hybrid they can’t get the raw power from the combustion engine so they’re limited to the battery. The bigger the battery the more power you can output at any one time. This means the car won’t go very fast because of that limitation. You can do a combination of 2 things to improve performance of hydrogen. Increase the surface area or number of fuel cells, which sacrifices passenger/cabin space or fuel tank and battery storage. Or you can increase your battery size as the cost of cabin space, fuel storage or fuel cell surface area. That’s why the only hydrogen super car is a 2 door unpractical car that achieves performance parity with Tesla Larges Sedan 4 door model S. As for handling unfortunately, there is no way to keep the weight anywhere near as low as EV’s can due to the required dimensions and volumes of the fuel tanks and the fuel cells. So they don’t handle as well naturally and are more prone to roll overs Which brings me to safety, you are travelling with an extremely explosive gas which is contained at pressures exceeding 32x that LPG is stored at and has an atomic size so small it can literally leak through solid steel. So the fuel tanks need to be heavy and well protected, meaning no increased crumple zone like a battery electric, which is less safe. As previously mentioned they are more prone to role overs and have worse handling. Less safe again, explosive gas, not very safe, battery electrics however achieve some of the highest ever recorded safety ratings for their categories. So where is the advantage for Hydrogen?

    • @Rocky Charlton and it’s not because EV’s get more attention. It’s because of the laws of physics. You will always waste far more energy with hydrogen. Simple. Even on an electricity front EV’s use far less, therefore you pay far less for electricity alone. Then hydrogen will have profit markups from the producer and again ontop of that from the distributor. You also have to pay for the water and for it to be compressed and liquified. It will never, ever, not ever reach cost parity. I’m sorry.

    • @Rocky Charlton according to VW it’s new battery recycling plant can recover 95% of electric vehicle battery material. Should be a simple google search

    • @Engineering the weird guy is that so? Can you show me where you found that information? I've heard only the recycling rate of cobalt is around 95% but a battery consists of more than cobalt.

    • ​@Rocky Charlton That is an incorrect assumption. Just because hydrogen could be made from surplus renewables does not mean it actually happens and the other way around you could argue that EVs can be charged with renewables as well (requiring only 1/3 of the energy). Smart charging systems that regulate the charging power according to the availability of renewable energy already exist. Also: when there will be enough EVs in the future there will be barely any surplus renewable energy left because these is always an average number of EVs charging at any given moment of the day.

  • LOOOOOOLLLLL hydrogen semi trucks from a certain fraudulent company being investigated by the SEC. y'all take that back, even if they weren't a bunch of clowns, being 50% the efficiency of EVs, combined with the major costs of trucking being in the energy (usually fuel) to run them means that there is no future for h2 trucking.

  • You should look at propane and compressed natural gas cars and do a video on them too

  • This was very informative but if we're going to take into account how hydrogen gets generated and transported we should do the same with gas and electric otherwise we're comparing apples to oranges.

    • The comparison between hydrogen and electric both started at the same place... electricity from the power plant

  • The problem they where trying to solve wasn't energy efficiency, it was carbon emissions.

  • 1) Lithium batteries are toxic as fuck 2) The cost to replace the battery is basically the cost of another car 3) Hydrogen production can eventually become cheaper, especially because it's the most abundant element on Earth, whereas lithium is dug up by sweaty little African kids in Botswana. 4) Elon Musk is an elitist tool that doesn't know how to sell cars to the masses like Henry Ford did. 5) You can drive much farther with Hydrogen, and refuel it quickly. Why is EV still winning?

    • 1.) lithium batteries are greater than 95% recyclable with current technology. 2.) current EV batteries cost around $5k to replace and that cost is rapidly falling as they become more popular. The cost of a model 3 is between $30k-$40k. 3.)hydrogen production will never be cheaper than electricity because it requires 2-3 times more electricity per mile and that’s before the profit markup of the fuel provider and the mark up ONTOP of that for the fuel station. I’ll let you work out the maths on that. 3.2.) you have to keep producing hydrogen even mile you drive with a HV but a BEV only needs a little lithium for it’s entire life which it can then be recycled. 3.3.) the largest lithium producers on the planet is Australia. Not Botswana. 4.) Tesla does zero advertising and the model 3 was still the highest selling luxury car in any category in the US for the second year running and is the only car company in the world with increasing sales. Tesla literally cannot make enough cars to meet demand at the moment. 5.) whilst they can drive farther a daily commute is rarely further than 300 miles. So EV’s are fine for 99% of people’s days for 99% of people. And you charge at home when you’re not using it meaning zero time wasted getting hydrogen fuel from a service station. EV’s also perform better, are cheaper and are safer than hydrogen. So where is the advantage for hydrogen?

    • @Fred Sasse This is the only video on the subject?! Holy shit.

    • @Aron Stewart Did you not see the video? For every 100 units of energy used to produce H2 from water you only get 39 units of energy to use in the fuel cell. Hence electrolysis is only less than 40% efficient. It is much more efficient to use the clean electricity to charge batteries with an 80% efficiency.

    • @Fred Sasse You could use electrolysis fueled by clean energy. Your argument is now void. Do more research.

    • And most H2 is produced by steam reforming methane (natural gas). Guess where the carbon in the form of CO2 goes from that process? H2 is not a "green" fuel.

  • Hydrogen is simoly not suited for private passenger vehicles. It might have a big future in busses, trucks, trains and boats (basically all heavy duty things). These things are very difficult to electrify because of the high battery-weight. A truck half of whichs maximum load is used by the batteries makes no sense.

  • Crustacean/Station ratio? Fuck, Americans use anything but logic for measuring XD

  • Because it could go BOOM

    • @Fred Sasse hydrogen has 3 times the the energy of gasoline for same volume. The engine isnt build the same way either. Thank you, goodbye

    • @Guillaume Labonté Actually, no. The energy of gasoline vapor is about 34 mega Joules per liter, while hydrogen produces only about only about 5 MJ/L

    • @Fred Sasse yeah, but not to the same extend, not as easily, and more like a fire not an explosion

    • So can gasoline

  • Why not considering the "eco-friendly" production process of lithium batteries and its raw materials? Easy to come to this result when considering factors only beneficial to the video content...

  • 2:36 that's a cluedo game Ester egg 🥚 😌

  • 33$ for 400 miles, you guys pay way too little.

  • Why do you measure weight in kg, but resort back to miles when talking about distance? Volumes are in gallons, but energy in Watt. Can't we pleeeease be consistently metric?

  • The problem is in oil empire, there were a lot of cars that can be driven on simple water, but all developers just disappear with their researches. No one will let people drive car with free energy. I bet as soon as find out how to make people to pay for water from oceans and rivers, suddenly water driven cars will appear.

  • You never even mentioned the safety issues(many) of hydrogen.Or for that matter,the storage/pressure issues.

  • Very miss leading video. H2 cars are actually electric cars which means they run at the same efficiency levels. Your analysis fails on, not accounting the energy losses for the production of the energy you use to charge the electric cars or to produce fuel. On electric cars you have to consider the energy loss on the thermo electrics, wind farms, solar farms etc, plus all transmission loses to be equitable. Also qualifying H2 cars not being convenient is very biased and as easy to overcome as if they built a H2 station on your folks town. There is your problem solved. It a matter of time. As electric cars H2 will drop in price as they become more popular same thing happened to Tesla, first cars were very pricey now not so much. I can go on and on. Very disappointed with the video. Very poor analysis behind it.

    • They do not run on the same levels of efficiency DESPITE the fact that they both are technically electric vehicles as is clearly explained in the video.

  • Those who spent electric battery technology may not glorify fuel cell very soon.

  • Well why wouldn't something produced by slave labor be cheaper than a hydrogen powered vehicle? All it'll cost you is your soul.

    • @Simon What makes you think I'm a proponent of hydrogen cells either? So far alternative fuel techs are just a three card monty game when it comes to pollution versus convenience, practicality and price. I have faith that we will eventually figure it out but the solutions offered thus far fall short.

    • So you thought that hydrogen vehicles do not require cobalt? 😂

  • 10:45. Electrolysis does NOT use a lot of power if your goal is to release enough hydrogen oxygen gas that you then feed into a combustion chamber to power a car. Hydrogen Cars failed *BY Design*. A car mounted electrolysis system needs little energy and is entirely viable but represents too much freedom .. something that Big Oil and papa Taxman just can't grant to the common people.

    • Lol nope. Electrolysis always requires at least the same amount of energy as the hydrogen is able to produce when combusted.

  • Most hydrogen is actually produced from fossil fuels: www.energy.gov/eere/fuelcells/hydrogen-resources

  • You mate are so wrong about energy efficiency.

    • @GodlikeVallenrod You missed the point that both types of vehicles start with electricity. Sure, EV charging is sometimes more efficient (overnight AC charging) than other times (high speed DC charging), but overall an EV has much better efficiency than hydrogen. Comparing storage methods to petrol, diesel, LNG and CNG is useless because they all cause vast amounts of CO2 per kilometer - which is exactly what we are trying to avoid. Yes, hydrogen can theoretically enable low carbon road traffic, but battery electric will always remain much more efficient.

    • He mentioned the full energy cycle for for all types of cars except for the EV. EV have some of the lowest energy efficiency in the long run. Energy isn’t stored in the grid, it is transmitted from the power production all the way to the ultimate customer. Energy transmission is always at some losses, which depend on the distance, grid and some other conditions. In order to meet the demand of fast / super chargers, much more energy has to be released to the grid than it can be consumed. Also, you cannot store electric energy for a long time. All of the newest energy storage technologies are only used to stabilise the grid. Storage of gas and petrol is much more efficient, because your storage tanks don’t leak high amount of energy on a daily basis (without being actually in use), nor do they require energy to sustain them, and they also don’t diminish their capacity over time and they are not susceptible to the changes in temperature of the environment. Because of EV you need to produce much more energy than all of your economy needs and if the shift towards EV continues, the impact will be even greater, which will also mean the price for electricity will increase by few hundred percent. Another aspect is that batteries for EV are extremely heavy. They’re so heavy that EV heavy duty trucks are nowhere feasible in the foreseeable future, but same trucks could definitely be powered by LNG, CNG or hydrogen.

    • @GodlikeVallenrod Why not?

    • @Simon No, he’s not.

    • He is perfectly right.

  • Wonder why I never see safety as a factor here. You ppl don't realize how easy is for hydrogen to explode when in clean air..

  • Meanwhile, Europe and China are starting to use Hydrogen Trucks for transportation.

    • Not really.

  • And what about a video on Hydrogen On Demand vehicle which receives virtually no research other than Stanley Meyer.... or would that be cutting out the middle man???

    • @Simon isprofile.info/pac/rKuWfWKpqGGdiZ0/v-deo.html

    • @merlin 13 Well it's just logical because it is impossible due to physics.

    • @Simon but yet you offer no evidence that it doesn't work?

    • There it is again, still going strong in 2021, the Stanley Meyer scam story 😂

  • If the electricity for both hydrogen production and for electric cars was from 100% renewable sources, wouldn't the hydrogen car be way better for the environment because it doesn't require lithium mining for batteries etc?

    • Hydrogen cars have batteries.

  • Most commercial hydrogen is not made by electrolysis. It is mainly produced from fosil hydrocarbon which makes the process dirtier

  • Hey Donut. They have working car in Japan.

  • Almost the same arguments that electric cars had. Only problem that its expensive to produce. That will decrease with the time. Hydrogen will be the energy source of the future. And not only for cars.

    • Nope. Electric cars were efficient from day one because they are by nature. Hydrogen will always remain inefficient due to physics.

  • Production of hydrogen and delivery is being worked on, many new solutions every month.

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  • I wouldn't be so sure ..... Li-Ion batteries need rare elements .... which surprise surprise are in China ..... but USA is going to be completelly dependent on China anyway with current "president", so it is probably all right ...

    • Guess what, hydrogen fuel cell cars also require rare earth materials.

  • Watt is not a unit for energy 😡

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  • If they can lower the cost of producing hydrogen from water fuel cell cars would be perfect. Faster refill then EV, and producing fuel cell is a good way to use excessive electricities produced by wind and solar generators. Meanwhile China is producing hydrogen from crude oil, which is slightly more heat efficient and only slightly cleaner, however way cheaper.

  • I love how lithium powered vehicles are more environmentally friendly vehicles... lithium being the operative world here.

    • Exactly

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  • Mercedes recently announced they're going big with hydrogen semis in the next couple of years.

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  • I could see a subscription based fuel model until it's better implemented in society

  • For EV car global efficiency, don't forget to take in account battery supply chain, and disposal! This should reduce the overall efficiency drastically!

  • I never heard of it where in the bell have i been 😂

  • "Why hydrogen cars flopped" Pininfarina h2 speed: "and I took that personally

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  • The infrastructure problem is worse than you let on. A hydrogen pump is NOT a 1-1 replacement for a gasoline pump. Due to what they need to do between fillups (compress hydrogen), a hydrogen pump can only support a vehicle throughput rate of ~2-4 cars per hour. So, not only does it cost $1-2M per pump, but you need a dozen of the things just to replace the capacity of a SINGLE gasoline pump.... then there's the whole backend of pipes and generating facilities to distribute hydrogen. Also, an error to note concerning that chart showing the efficiency of battery electric vs. hydrogen vs. gasoline. The final column refers to the efficiency chain of synthetic fuels, so using electricity to actually make liquid hydrocarbons rather than digging them up from the ground.

  • I still could imagine that hydrogen cars will be big in a few decades

  • you might wanna check out thte gumpert(yes the quattro guy) hydrogen-methanol car. for anybody interested just google "Gumpert Nathalie"

  • Rather than hydrogen car i gonna buy cng car because cng is really cheap in India and we have more and more refueling station hey anyone Indian because Indian will understand cngs value😂😂😂😁

  • Why? Hydrogen is very reactive and the molecules are small they are almost impossible to contain under pressure- go right through thick steel pipe & tank walls.

  • You forgot hydrogen explosion hazard

  • The last part of video : why building hydrogen trucks and cars financialpost.com/commodities/energy/electric-vehicles/why-linamar-is-a-big-believer-in-hydrogen-cars

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  • So question, how does fuel cell technology compare to barriers 3, 5, 10 years into their life span? What is the cost of replacing ev batteries vs the cost of maintenance for the fuel cell? Does fuel cell have a diminishing range like EVs do?

    • @Veangent Only a few per cent per year. Current batteries are so big that they are still perfectly usable after 10 years.

    • @Simon yeah no to that. Ev batteries degrade big time. Especially the more you fast charge them, and when they're exposed to really hot weather or cold

    • EV batteries will not need replacing. They outlast the vehicle. Fuel cells degrade over time and eventually need replacing.

  • You’re skewing the data on electric cars claiming that they’re 80% efficient. You’re not taking into account the energy efficiency of the power plant (probably fossil fuel) used to create the energy. However, you took that into account with the hydrogen fuel cell car. I’d like to see a direct comparison to both including the power plant/hydrogen harvesting facility if you’re going to compare apples to apples. Otherwise the electric car is 80% efficient and the hydrogen fuel cell is 95% efficient if you don’t take into account the facility used to gather the hydrogen.

    • The comparison is correct. They BOTH start with the same electricity so the power production emissions are not relevant.

  • I still don't like Electric cars.

  • Electronic cars are so horrible, diesel is better

    • @Mikołaj z Polski Lol no they do not

    • @Simon electric cars produce more co2 then diesel cars

    • Yeah but CO2 is the problem you know..

  • That Hydrogen car looked like it was peeing. LoL